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  • Rubberback
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2023
    • 3242

    #1

    This is totally Crazy

    I was wondering what was happening with the idiot that killed Charlie Kirk ? Only to find out that because he was such a good shot the death penalty is off the table
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  • Djwag94
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2023
    • 1816

    #2
    What?
    Final arguments are tomorrow and then the judge will make his rulings.

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    • Rubberback
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2023
      • 3242

      #3
      This is totally ridiculous what they are saying! It sounds just like what the left would say ! I don’t think politics should have a role in this trial and what nonsense excuse this is ! It won’t happen but he should pay with his life for what he did ! No excuses should ever be excepted period!
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      • SmithRanchZ
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2023
        • 2821

        #4
        If this event happened in Texas, he likely doesn't get charged with capital murder. As such, he would not get the death penalty in Texas.

        Simple murder in Texas - i.e. I walk up and execute my neighbor in his driveway - is not capital murder in Texas. In summary, to be eligible for the death penalty in Texas, the murder needs to occur during certain other felonies (kidnapping, rape, ...), involve a public servant, murder for hire, multiple murders, during a prison escape, certain terrorist threats, or involving a child under 10.

        So, in Texas, he gets life max.

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        • Djwag94
          Djwag94 commented
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          In other news, the Lindsay Clancy jury couldn’t come to a unanimous decision this morning so the judge instructed them to continue their deliberations. 🤷‍♂️

        • gds
          gds commented
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          So premeditated murder doesn't qualify for the death penalty in Texas? And Djwag I saw something this morning that two of the women on the jury have been wearing pink, supposedly in support of Clancy, the article that I was reading was saying that in their opinion the best that you can hope for is a hung jury.

        • Djwag94
          Djwag94 commented
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          gds, sound like some of the jury wants a conviction of some kind. 🤷‍♂️
          not guilty
          not guilty by reason of insanity
          first-degree murder
          second-degree murder
          manslaughter
      • Duckchasr
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2023
        • 3797

        #5
        I believe that Capital Punishment should cover most all cases of murder regardless of the degree.
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        With the cross of Jesus
        going on before!
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        • Unknownstrohsfan
          Unknownstrohsfan commented
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          What if your ex wife sells your boat with all you're gear in it for drug money(pills) while you are working out of town to afford a low rent apartment???
      • wfishtx
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2023
        • 2700

        #6
        Looks like the judge is keeping the death penalty on the table. He ruled that the prosecution presented enough evidence to allow the trial to move forward on all 7 counts. He also said the prosecution established probable cause for the victim-targeting allegation, which allows the capital punishment to remain an option.

        A Utah judge ruled prosecutors presented enough evidence for trial on all seven counts against Tyler Robinson in Charlie Kirk's fatal shooting.

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        • Djwag94
          Djwag94 commented
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          The judge read the whole book from start to finish before issuing his rulings. 😴💤

        • Rubberback
          Rubberback commented
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          Good 👍 this needs to be done! Life in prison is handed out like popcorn! It never stops the same crime from happening over and over again
      • ralph7
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2023
        • 647

        #7
        Originally posted by Duckchasr
        I believe that Capital Punishment should cover most all cases of murder regardless of the degree.
        I agree even though I feel life in prison is worse than a quick death.
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        • wfishtx
          wfishtx commented
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          Given the mandatory appeals process with the death penalty, the convicted kind of get both. They sit on death row for dang near the rest of their life and then they're still put to death. I wish they would instill a maximum of 1 year post conviction to go through the appeals process and then execute if its not overturned. These judges spending years and years before they'll even hear an appeal is ridiculous in my opinion.
      • Bocephus
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2023
        • 2751

        #8
        The only downside to the death penalty is that he wouldn't be out in the general prison population.

        It would be better for a few big ol ' Bubbas to make that little white boy their prison bitch. He deserves 50 years of that more than a quick, painless death.
        I miss the America I grew up in.

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        • Unknownstrohsfan
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2023
          • 4137

          #9
          Nothing quick about the death penalty 17 to 35 years of very expensive housing in solitary confinement.

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          • Bocephus
            Bocephus commented
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            I meant the death...not the years waiting.

          • Unknownstrohsfan
            Unknownstrohsfan commented
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            Yeah I know, i guess for me, I reconcile it by knowing that no matter how much that all those turds like to pretend that they found Jesus after committing a crime so horrific that 12 people decided you need to die for it. They are scared shitless about getting to meet him, and attesting to that sin.
        • SmithRanchZ
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2023
          • 2821

          #10
          The judges are not the primary group delaying the appellate process. A simple civil appeal often takes a year or more. A complicated civil appeal, easily a couple years start to finish.

          Death penalty appeals are far, far more complicated, with far bigger stakes, and both sides - prosecution and the defense - are resource limited. And, in a death penalty appeal, the person is going to be in prison anyway in 99% of the situations. So, sitting in prison doesn't prejudice the state or the defense.

          And, the defense can assert claims in Fed Court, or appeal in the Fed system, even after completing state level appeals.

          And, and, in criminal cases, screw ups by the defense attorney can entitle the accused to a new trial. In civil cases, Exxon's lawyer screws up, the courts say - sorry Exxon, sue your attorney. In criminal law, thats not a practical solution. Bunch of the defense attorneys are court appointed, and, as a result, make almost nothing. So, awarding money to the family of an innocent guy executed by the state is not a viable solution.

          As I've said before, if you want quick appeals and execution, have the tax payer hire and fund big league defense attorneys. The $800+ an hour guys with a big staff of paralegals and investigators. They will get more acquittals, reduce the number of death penalty sentences, but eliminate the bulk of the ineffectual assistance of counsel appeals/reversals.
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          • Rubberback
            Rubberback commented
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            Bring back the rope and all this chit will stop! They made this another money machine and nothing ever gets done and then the taxpayers end up paying for it ! Then everyone forgets about it bla bla BS You can’t delay trials for years and expect people to remember ! They didn’t do this in the old days! Longest wait was building the gallows
        • SmithRanchZ
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2023
          • 2821

          #11
          Dime store novels and TV westerns are fiction.

          The reality - by the 1870's, the Texas Supreme Court had years and years of cases backlogged. The delays for civil and criminal cases was so extreme, so extensive, that in 1876 Texas took the extraordinary step of changing the Constitution. This change stripped the Texas Supreme Court of criminal jurisdiction. This process ultimately lead to the creation of the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals which, to this very day, functions as the "Texas Supreme Court" for direct criminal appeals.
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          • Unknownstrohsfan
            Unknownstrohsfan commented
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            In my opnion you are both wrong, Even if they bring back the rope, that will not effect the appeals process, If you are suggesting lynching,,,,, well that won't work either. Beefing up the defense team is not gonna make that much difference, hell half the time it is Dick Deguerin, or Rusty Hardin going Pro Bono to be in the circus. The problem is even after all has been adjudicated, The judge will grant any appeal on technical points, so he is not the 1 judge out of 10,000 that put an innocent man to death. Even though innoscence was never proven,
        • Kenny Powers
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2023
          • 1085

          #12
          I've seen the video of him on the roof and it is hard to believe he did make that shot. Also strange they repaved the entire area days later.

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          • Unknownstrohsfan
            Unknownstrohsfan commented
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            Why, that was a chip shot with a half ass rifle?
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