Rust - Alec Baldwin

[Mac1528]

Scratch my above post, I completely read it wrong, and I agree as before...the armorer is and should be responsible while in thier hands, but the weapon must also be checked by the user and shares that ultimate responsibility or should not be able to engage in the use of the weapon. If you have a vehicle accident is it always the mechanics fault after its been fixed? Not always, but maybe shares some fault, or not at all!

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[dwilliams35]

How many cowboy movies have been made over the years. The armorer is at fault, there is no way a live round should have been on the set let alone in a gun

There’s a guy on another forum i’m on that is a movie-set guy, said that occasionally they WILL use live rounds, mainly when the director wants to make sure that recoil is apparent; not much kick on a blank. it’s always under VERY tightly controlled conditions, though

[CSN]

How many cowboy movies have been made over the years. The armorer is at fault, there is no way a live round should have been on the set let alone in a gun

I have never picked up an unloaded gun in my life! At least not that I knew of before I picked it up. And I have never pointed an unloaded gun at someone and pulled the trigger. I don’t care if the most trusted person in my life handed me a gun and said it’s unloaded, I always checked immediately.

If he pointed a gun at someone, and pulled the trigger, and that person was shot because of his actions, he is responsible.

[Rubberback]

Great advice.

[dunedawg]

Totally agree. Always check, 2nd nature to me.

[Unknownstrohsfan]

Daddy taught me to never point a gun at something I didn't intend to kill, not pulling the trigger was understood.

[tec]

Just treat Baldwin like if a conservative actor had done it. If there were any conservative actors.

[WhiteBassFisher]

Tom Selleck maybe?

[fishguru00]

Once he pulled the trigger, he owned that bullet.

[Cubera]

Manslaughter, nothing less.

[dwilliams35]

I have never picked up an unloaded gun in my life! At least not that I knew of before I picked it up. And I have never pointed an unloaded gun at someone and pulled the trigger. I don’t care if the most trusted person in my life handed me a gun and said it’s unloaded, I always checked immediately.

If he pointed a gun at someone, and pulled the trigger, and that person was shot because of his actions, he is responsible.

The problem here is that they don't live in reality. We all have heard the same endless repetitions of gun-safety paradigms all of our life: since we live in the real world. Everything that Alec Baldwin does is make-believe: he's used to pointing guns at people with no effect, and as a result if some foreign matter miraculously came out of that gun and killed the cinematographer, then obviously it was either somebody else's fault or just a glitch in the matrix. Get somebody from a world that basically isn't exposed to guns besides just make-believe ones, and their grasp of basic safety principles is probably going to be spectacularly warped. They point guns at people for a living and don't even think twice about it.

Stick Keanu Reeves, Denzel Washington, Brad Pitt, or any of the other moderately long list of hollywood stars that are actually "gun guys" in that role, and this wouldn't have happened, no matter what. There would be no chance they wouldn't have spun that cylinder to see just what's in there the second they laid a hand on it. since even if they do live in the make-believe world, they've been personally rewired by the real world and their exposure to actual real guns to have that built-in.

Fortunately, the liability laws ARE built in the real world (thus the conviction of the armorer with a real-world type job), now if they can just keep the make-believe world from intruding upon that...

[Boom!]

I thought that the armorer walked off over safety concerns? That falls back on the director to me. Who was the director? 🤔

[dwilliams35]

I thought that the armor walked off over safety concerns? That falls back on the director to me. Who was the director? 🤔

I think the first one did. Then the junior assistant armorer that got the job because her dad was an armorer stepped in and started handing out free bullets. Director was Joel Souza, the other guy that caught a bullet. Tough to hang the liability on one of the victims, I guess.

[copanoson]

A new armor stepped in. She was recently convicted for this incident.

Baldwin certainly has some accountability for this. What accountability he has is difficult to me. As dwill mentioned, this was pretend and, according to Baldwin's defense, he was told the gun did not have live rounds. Now, in the land of make believe, is it an actor's responsibility to know if a gun has live rounds?

[dwilliams35]

A new armor stepped in. She was recently convicted for this incident.

Baldwin certainly has some accountability for this. What accountability he has is difficult to me. As dwill mentioned, this was pretend and, according to Baldwin's defense, he was told the gun was unloaded. Now, in the land of make believe, is it an actor's responsibility to check a weapon to see if it is loaded?

Well, yes. the land of make believe still operates under the laws of the real world. The only real difference is that they hand guns out to people that don't have the slightest clue what to do with them besides point them at people and make them go bang without ill effect.

[SmithRanchZ]

On a 1873 P single action, spinning the cylinder does not reveal whether its loaded with dummies or live ammo, unless the cases are marked on the base OR the dummies have no primer/alternative primer.

And, you can look thru the cylinder gap to see if the weapon is loaded/has spent brass in it.

Assuming the dummies are not marked, you would have to eject each round, and then shake each round. Conceivably, the dummies are not marked if you plan on filming the loading of the weapon.

I would guess what we may hear is that Baldwin was told cold gun, which to him means no blanks or live rounds. Not, no dummies. And, because in the course of filming the actors have to pick up, put down, and lose possession of the weapon repeatedly, the practice is to have a gun specialist load the weapon with dummies and then the specialist takes possession of the weapon whenever the actor surrenders possession.

But, that just a guess on how they will spin it.