Marijuana reclassification

[SmithRanchZ]

The plant has and is changing. Like every other domesticated animal or cultivated plant. Selective breeding for certain traits.

Unless someone is growing seeds from the 1930's or has found some sorta pure strain grown for decades in genetic isolation, it's different.

It's not just THC and CBD, it's the expression and the ratios of 60 or more compounds. And, the expression of those compounds have a genetic component, and likely a environmental component as well.

Make no mistake, the selection pressure by growers has "improved" the performance of the plant. Including combining populations from geographicly distinct areas.

[dwilliams35]

The plant has and is changing. Like every other domesticated animal or cultivated plant. Selective breeding for certain traits.

Unless someone is growing seeds from the 1930's or has found some sorta pure strain grown for decades in genetic isolation, it's different.

It's not just THC and CBD, it's the expression and the ratios of 60 or more compounds. And, the expression of those compounds have a genetic component, and likely a environmental component as well.

Make no mistake, the selection pressure by growers has "improved" the performance of the plant. Including combining populations from geographicly distinct areas.

Well, it's probably been in selective breeding for a couple of thousand years... The ones from the '80s were "improved" too..

[Rubberback]

The weed back in the 60's mainly came from different regions in mex. Some regions grew better mota. Problem with the weed we were getting was it was pressed Squished into bricks. By doing this it ruined the weed. Pot should never be squished or pressed. Good weed comes from the cola " the top the flower. Back in the 60's they mainly sold us the leaves which is called the shake. I call it rat weed.
Cola's should be stacked and tied very loosely as to not bruise the mota.
Here are some of the regions in Mex. Oaxaca , Michoacan, Guerrero etc.

[2Ws]

Tell me did you old-timers smoke the flower back in the 70s NOPE, male, female plants were all thrown in together by a Mexican....seeds, stems along with some dirt, didn't matter the maturity all they were after was weight. How can ANY comparison be made of that to what we have today. I guess no one here has had any Thai Stick in the 70s, no Santa Marta gold from Columbia in the 80s....it was pretty badassed back then. Taxes??? pretty hard to tax Joe Dirt anything coming from a seed.

[Rubberback]

Thai sticks were a treat. The ones we got were actually tied to a stick. There was good weed back in the day. Just had to know the right person.

[Shoepick74]

Was growing and smoking kolas in the 60's. just had to know the right folks out in Humbolt county.

[2Ws]

Humbolt county?....hell man in the 60 n 70s our stuff was grown by a fat little Mexican in Oaxaca not the hippies in Ca.

[SmithRanchZ]

Well, it's probably been in selective breeding for a couple of thousand years... The ones from the '80s were "improved" too..

The selective breeding in the modern era is vastly different than even 100 years ago. Point being, none of this is standing still. It's dynamic. A continuous process of human directed "evolution." Same with corn or "aggie" blue bonnets.

Modern commercial seed creators are beginning with 100's of seeds, evaluating 40 per 100, selecting the best, and in a matter of a few months, creating 1000s of clones from that 1 out of the 100. This massively accelerates the selection process. And with 1000s and 1000s of clones (from that 1 seed out of 100), you can breed the female to a huge number of similarly selected males, and produce a new batch of seeds to evaluate.

None of this was really possible until the modern era.

Imagine how fast you could change dogs or cattle by shortening the generation period and with the ability to clone.

In the industry, top tier seeds are far, far more valuable than any of the products.

[copanoson]

Read that again: I believe he's basically saying that yes, you could get 17% (or whatever it is) back decades ago, it's just that now you can get it on every street corner. It's a logistics/production/distribution improvement, not necessarily an improvement on the actual plant.

I read it again...I don't know how else to interpret this statement.

Potency.....Another myth......Quality Cannabis today is no more potent than quality cannabis in the 60's 70's etc...

Theoretically was as it possible in the 70s to grow a plant or extract the oil and get higher THC potency available today, sure, but they didn't, because the technology and the "know how" wasn't available or discovered.

[dwilliams35]

The key word here is "quality": the position is that you COULD get this kind of stuff back then, given enough time, effort, plane tickets to Kandahar, etc.: now you just call your local dealer for the same stuff. Totally unprovable position at this point, but the real difference is just the availability framework. What used to be the stuff of Legend in far off lands is now the stuff of Jose down on Navigation.

[copanoson]

Sorry Dwill, you're still incorrect. Kandahar, or whatever mystery land of legend stoners bragged about visiting didn't have super weed.

I don't know how else to explain it. The strains of cannabis today simply did not exist in the 70s, 80s, or even the 90s. The same goes for the technology used to extract TCH oil concentrate and concoct an even higher THC percentage, upwards of 80%.

[SeaOx 230c]

Actually you could get quality back then. You just had to have the connections and live in the right place. There was alot of cannabis being bred and grown in California. Washington Oregon. Not much made it this far though.

[Landlocked]

You pot heads are making me want to watch some Cheech and Chong!!

How bout Up In Smoke!!

[Rubberback]

Rollllllllll another one just like the other one.

[Marku2.0]

There's flower testing well over 30%. I'm not sure which website the 17% number came from?

https://www.ozarkmmjcards.com/top-30-strongest-marijuana-strains/

[2Ws]

Yep, I let the 17% comment slide, I'm also wondering how to get thousands and thousands of cuttings (clones) off a mother plant in a cpl months

[copanoson]

I was being conservative because it is very well-known independent labs inflate the THC potency so growers will continue to use them to test their product. Growers/Dispensaries want to advertise they have cannabis with the highest THC content. I'm sure the numbers in your article are no different.

[Shoepick74]

Just tell Siri the strain and she will tell you anything you want to know about it. Try it if you don't believe me.

[Landlocked]

1234

[Landlocked]

Hey look here…I found one of yall…and yo Mamma!!!

[KWeber]

yall can have it all!... tried it and did Not enjoy any part of it

[SmithRanchZ]

Don't be a quitter. Try and try again. Chances are, you will love it.

[KWeber]

NO THANK YOU ! short-term memory was shot... could not remember a song or conversation of 5 min previous...
and totally self-conscious and constantly thinking that I was not right...definatly not pleasurable...

[dwilliams35]

Well, that's legit, we’ve all been thinking that you’re not quite right for several years now.

[SeaOx 230c]

I really believe you're making this up as you go or relying on old information. Cannabis IS more potent today than in the 60s, 70s, etc. Today, the THC content in flower is as high as 17% compared to 4% from the 90s. Oils, compounds, and concentrates are even higher. This isn't made up government voodo. This is readily available information from studies done outside the government.

All this means is it takes far less weed, oil, whatever to get high.

Have you done any research of your own? Or is it just your opinion that I'm making it up?

As DW said ..........the plant is not different today than it was as far as it's ability to produce cannabinoid s. Are there quite a few more varietals or strains as the kids call,them? Yes there are........that doesnt make the plant different.

What is different is availability of well grown, correctly dried and cured, properly stored flower. The weed of yesterday was dried in the sun, compressed down and smuggled in terrible conditions for hundreds of miles or from across the world. By the way there's still crappy brick weed being sold in the free market......it's very cheap because there's so many better options today.

The flower in dispensaries is handled with care dried and cured under controlled conditions. This was available to some even back in the day......

What is also different is readily available testing. There's issues about the testing accuracy also.,You can send a sample from the same plant to two different labs and get quite different results. This is due no set testing standards in the industry. By the way your 17% number is not quite right.

A recent small study on the claims of some breeders reporting thc as high as 30% is not accurate. There's a pretty big brouhaha over it. The study show's more like in the 20% range as some of the highest in certain cultivars and most on the shelf are around 12-15% some as low as 8-10%.

Concentrates are not new..............electronic devices for consuming it are.....

Yes a gram of good hash oil for vape device is upwards of 80-90% thc. Dose for dose concentrate doesn't get you any higher. It's still the same THC.

In fact flower, thc dose for dose, will have stronger affect than most thc vapes. This is because the terpines and flavonoids have been removed from the cheaper lines of thc vapes.

Does the same volume of alcohol from whiskey get you drunker than if from beer? Of course not because alcohol is alcohol.

All concentrates is is the separation of the cannabinoids from the plant material nothing more.......thc milligram for thc milligram it's still the same THC...


So much myth and government BS still being believed........

[Boom!]

With over 45 years of research, I disagree with your findings.

[SeaOx 230c]

The selective breeding in the modern era is vastly different than even 100 years ago. Point being, none of this is standing still. It's dynamic. A continuous process of human directed "evolution." Same with corn or "aggie" blue bonnets.

Modern commercial seed creators are beginning with 100's of seeds, evaluating 40 per 100, selecting the best, and in a matter of a few months, creating 1000s of clones from that 1 out of the 100. This massively accelerates the selection process. And with 1000s and 1000s of clones (from that 1 seed out of 100), you can breed the female to a huge number of similarly selected males, and produce a new batch of seeds to evaluate.

None of this was really possible until the modern era.

Imagine how fast you could change dogs or cattle by shortening the generation period and with the ability to clone.

In the industry, top tier seeds are far, far more valuable than any of the products.

Well kinda sorta but no........

The modern breeding techniques are 100% the same as ever........

Cloning is the new hip word for taking cuttings. This technology has been in use for thousands of years. All modern citrus, apple, pears etc....are clones that have been grafted to hardy root stock. Tons of ornamental plants and flowers are cuttings from mother stock. Pretty much all roses are clones that have been grafted to hardy root stock

Clones/cuttings are for commercial production of the same cultivar. It's what allows you to buy lemon skunk and it be the same every time......

Most clones don't have a male..... They can only be replicated by taking more cuttings.......

Cannabis is not like tomatoes. Tomatoes are true breeding in that seeds from an Arkansas Traveler tomato will produce plants all but identical to the parent plant. Cannabis having both male and female plants breed more like people. Growing cannabis from seed won't produce flower that is same plant to plant.........

You can use techniques to cause female plant to produce male pollen. Then use that pollen to pollinate another female plant. These seed will al be female but will still have several different phenotypes in the mix when grown out. It take several generations of careful selection to get close enough .most people can't tell the difference between the phenotypes.

Criminalization of cannabis has made it difficult to grow in large numbers here in the US. Large number is hundreds to thousands of plants...... Most quality name breeders are not running large numbers, they're running tens to a hundred or so..... making the process slow and costly. Large numbers are considered as hundreds to thousands of the same cultivars.

In some parts of the World traditional farmers are running huge feilds of thousands of plants in open pollination selecting the best for next years seed. Just like it once was here in the US. These cultures don't smoke flowers they say thas for women and children. They prefer the concentrate hashish....